suggestion!!!

白中尉

嗯，难道有人看不懂中文么？yamibohk02

漫步而行

很好很强大。

At the current stage, it's unrealistic and impossible to translate everything here into English. Opening an English sub-forum is a feasible solution, but what difference will it make? It's like an embassy. The general population won't even bother to go inside. Ok, maybe it'll have some symbolic meanings, like the beginning of internationalization of Yamibo.(Go conquer the world!!XD)

I'm not saying that I disagree with the whole idea of night's. Indeed it's something that people rarely think about. With internet, the world is now flat. One day there will probably be sites in multiple languages and highly adavanced translation program that helps people communicating with each other. However, Rome wasn't built in a day. For now, these things are unlikely to happen. We definitely welcome English-speaking people to post threads at Yamibo. There will always be friendly people who would like to translate a particular thread for those who have language barriers.

Well, since it's not up to you and me to make the decision, I'll try to speculate on this issue from the administrators' perspective. First of all, there's no way a major change will be performed upon just one person's request. Second, the work required would be humongous and may even hinder the normal growth of this place. Third, people are sensitive and I don't want to go into detail about this one.

noirhoar

English corner may be a possiable way to this problem.
The language barrier must be canceled gradually not promptly.

Sub-web is a relative complicated situation because it is an obstacle how
to maintain 300's style and spirit and how to balance the tastes of chinese and those of foreigners.

Xera

Well, I guess English users are mainly attracted to here because of the doujins and the resources.

诺诺粉

yamibohk05 Everyone has the right to Yuri.

NIGHTsan!!! Fight!!!!

night

ok you guys , i know u are mainly saying no ...but why not try ? why not be friendly ? why not meet new people? help eachother spread yuri or as some said "chinese"... i reviewed all the replies and didn't understand the chinese ones but honestly , there is no good enough reason for saying noyamiboqe031  i mean u guys should open up not be so "closed "yamiboqe009 about this whole idea , and u'll find us enteracting ..us the internationals ... and u asked this Question many times " how did u manage to register ?" -sigh- the answer is easy ... go to this link and u'll see log out ...and will understand how i was able to register       stop arguing and just accept it , sorry for having a bad temper u guys but u need to be open-minded a bit don't u think?

3303236

。。。。。。。。。。。。

我没来错论坛吧！

obake

原帖由 night 于 2007-9-12 19:53 发表
ok you guys , i know u are mainly saying no ...but why not try ? why not be friendly ? why not meet new people? help eachother spread yuri or as some said "chinese"... i reviewed all th ...

okay now...you have to chill down a bit. Those who said "no" have their own considerations, just as those who said "yes". We are just simply giving out our opinion right here. They have their own concerns, they did not simply just said "no" for no reason. Since you do not understand Chinese, so you might not understand some of their concerns and style but I can guarantee you they mean no disrespect. Everyone is just trying to give their own opinion. The one who will make the decision is the admin staffs. ;) Oh and nobody is "closed" to this topic. The proof? Well given that we are still able to reply in this thread(instead of being locked down) is the proof ;)

[ 本帖最后由 obake 于 2007-9-12 20:17 编辑 ]

小琳笔记

Very ornate English!yamibohk01

enkitt

hey, calm down.. night..you really cute yamibohk03
from what i could see in this post, people are starting working out solutions for the operating of the future sub-forums...
so why not give your suggestions, what effort u could plan to do to help the progress?
chinese sometimes self asking and answer ..
and now the real operating problems are some kind of clear:
-sub-forum able to run
-double language capable users to translate the post

those are the two basic components running the English ver.

And as a requester, i guess there're lot more suggestions u could give to us. eg.what information and service are expected?

if only a translation of system and buttoms, it will be so easy to realize...however you know it mean nothing...and there's no forbidden to enlish posts..like this post..
so, just give your words and thoughts..cheers

角元敏

原帖由 night 于 2007-9-12 19:53 发表
ok you guys , i know u are mainly saying no ...but why not try ? why not be friendly ? why not meet new people? help eachother spread yuri or as some said "chinese"... i reviewed all th ...

Mainly saying no? Not being friendly? Em... are we really reading the same topic?yamibohk02

Xera

Rather than "why why why", why not "how how how"?
How does having a english version benefit this forum?
Throw in some suggestions, share your opinions.
We care more for quality than quantity.
Ultimately, it is the mods who will decide.

FYI, the mods highlighted this thread, even posted the link at the front page.
Not friendly, not open-minded? I think not....

[ 本帖最后由 Xera 于 2007-9-12 20:33 编辑 ]

guzhouleng

to night:
i think many people say no not because they don't want to have a english version,after all,meeting more people with the same interest is a enjoyment.they say no just because it's too big a project.you know,the resources of yamibo is huge,there are so many articles and yamibo's contents bear comparison with a medium library.to translate all of them is unpractical.if translating 1000 words cost 80 yuan(about 10 dollars),then a long article(ignoring the replies) will cost 400 dolars,even a short one needs 25 dollars,then translating all the contents of this forum needs……i can't calculate.and that have not included the cost of technology and time.
now most of the translating is doing by vounteers.but to create a english version,only vounteers is far from enough.maybe to have a english corner is feasible,but it is still need to be decided by admin,i think.

[ 本帖最后由 guzhouleng 于 2007-9-12 20:50 编辑 ]

雪虫

i would like to say
plz think for and against both side
don't just think what you want

that's all

mangit

its interesting 2 read the thread
there r so many users willing 2 type in english. Be happy,
Ms Night~ :D   
believe me. most chinese speakers r open-minded ppl.
they r not saying no but just thinking if it is possible
2 have an english version of yamibo when most users
here r chinese speakers n used 2 the atmosphere. or
will u n english fans like u be satisfied with an english
board while the main forum is still in chinese?
ps. personally i purpose
learning chinese the best way
2 join yamibo. its always
easier 2 change urself than
the others.yamibohk03

[ 本帖最后由 mangit 于 2007-9-12 21:28 编辑 ]

hakuai_H

I know as a "submarine" (I hope you know what I mean... ORZ) I have no right to have any say on this issue. But since I have some minor personal problems in this website as I am not able to type chinese (shame on me!) and therefore may understand part of the frustrations native english users may have, I feel like sharing some of my thoughts about this matter....

原帖由 Xera 于 2007-9-12 14:50 发表
Well, I guess English users are mainly attracted to here because of the doujins and the resources.

Totally agree with this. The groups doing english subs and translantions for anime and doujins lag far behind the groups doing chinese (if not always, at least in most cases). For fans restricted to english usage, the anime download links and doujin galleries (especially the message titles) here will be the things for which english translation will be the most helpful at this point.

From a conceptual point of view: If yamibo does eventually get an english verison, I will not be suprised if it splits off yamibo as another yuri english website in the future (and makes chinese/jap yamibo a sister site for resource links) when more english-speaking people join yamibo and then assume admin responsibilities and run an associated english website independently .....
I do support the idea of globilized bbs and cross-cultural discussions, if that works out and if the website will not be polarized into two groups - chinese and english users with little cross-over. Having an english verison of yamibo is different from having a japanese verison. I think more than 50% users of the yamibo japanese version knows chinese or are native chinese speakers - correct me if I am wrong - and using the japanese verison is like getting more exposure to the language and culture from which jp yuri ACG and jpop originates. An english version of yamibo feels more detached from this theme (chinese culture is at least closer to japanese - they are both of asian origin and though definite distinctions exist, japanese culture/literature is viewed less as a mere novelty or curiosity from the mainstream).

From a practical point of view: LZ's idea is doable if
-there are chinese americans/canadians/british/europeans/singaporeans... etc or native chinese speakers who know english or native english speakers who know chinese who want to contribute to yamibo promotion,
-these yamibo lovers have the necessary technical knowledge and time and energy to cooperate and work on the english version/translation of stuff
It is the "supply" (of time and techs) that is more of an issue here, not the "demand."

[ 本帖最后由 hakuai_H 于 2007-9-12 21:48 编辑 ]

bluey

原帖由 Xera 于 2007-9-12 20:29 发表
FYI, the mods highlighted this thread, even posted the link at the front page.
Not friendly, not open-minded? I think not....

Totally agree. It was the commercial bar on the front page that brought me into this thread.. yamiboqe031

I think sub-forum might be feasible. English version of the forum, highly unlikely. Well.. From my point of view anyways.

忘川

OK, it looks like a big fuss now.

First of all, it's not the first time this issue has been raised, night.

Compared to last year, when Saimoe Yuri 2006 was held in YAMIBO and first English yuri fans came here communicating with yamibo yuri fans, people are even more tolerant and patient this time, which is a good thing. If you want to know what that is like, how English yuri fans feel in YAMIBO, I suggest you read the old threads:

https://bbs.yamibo.com/thread-35485-1-3.html
https://bbs.yamibo.com/forum.php ... hlight=%2BHayashi11

For the first one, it was but one topic and one start, many people and I
spent a lot of effort in maintaining just that one thread last year. My friends in Shoujoai forum, afterwards still said that they felt more comfortable staying in English forums, which was a bit frustrating to me, but quite understandable.   During 2006.10-2006.12, I believe in early October, I personally proposed an English interface of YAMIBO to the administrator of YAMIBO, or even an English sub-forum.  BTW, I was a moderator of discussion board and a few others at that time.  The 1st one was turned down because of too much trouble, and the 2nd one was turned down because the admin saw no need for it at that time.  

Saying that, I don't think you have no hope in realizing some things that you are suggesting.  What I am saying is that you will have to listen carefully to these friendly friends, think actively also on the forum's side, and be patient and sincere instead of complaining "everyone saying no".   After all, you come here, registering a few days ago, having contributed nothing to the forum, (which is OK) using uncapitalized i's, asking a huge change of YAMIBO forum and paying not enough attention to people's serious thoughts about this issue. This is not exactly the attitude I would like to see for a European friend.

[ 本帖最后由 忘川 于 2007-9-12 22:03 编辑 ]

netha

I think... maybe it could just translate the butons? And at the same time put a new corner for english user?

But about other things...well,maybe some times we could tipe(?) both languege??

I think I have done a lot of mistake in here, but my English too poor!(I guess there are lots of people like me. but it doesn't mean I dislike this idea. Just, Night san you have a looooong way to go. good luck and FIGHT!)

wakka

May be it should be like this: supports of a bilingual forum should first write a proposal with your ideas and opinions supported arguments, justifying the need and necessity of an EngVer.