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OMG, this is just pure subtle facism. Your disdain and disregard for the chinese language is as clear as day. How about being a little honest about your intentions instead of pretending it to be about globalisation/connection or other creative nouns you can think of ? In actuality, all you (and it seems one or two other pro-english posters) care about is the language convenience benefit for yourself/selves at the EXPENSE of others.
Instead acting of like high kings and queens, expecting a predominately mandarin forum to change it's whole language system to suit you, how about having a little respect and change yourself/selves instead? Either go educate yourself by taking up chinese, improve on it or train yourselves to adapt then come back. If you pull this stunt in a french or german forum, I guarantee you'll be flamed to death. Why so? Because these are folks who are proud of their language and culture. In their eyes, the french and german language is in NO way inferior to the english language. Likewise, one should be equally proud of one's chinese heritage.
And please, english is NOT the main language in the universe though it's one of the most widely used ones. Surely, one hasn't forgotten China? The world's largest nation, home to BILLIONS of CHINESE who speak MANDARIN and/or associated dialects. Also, in addition to other portions of the porpulus the world round who would prefer to communicate in mandarin, I say they've got english nicely rivalled!
Importantly, no language is ever inferior to another. What it does contain is value, it's weight determining it's viability. Chinese is in no way lacking in this department. With China now part of the FTO and opening up it's markets, the value of the chinese language is rising rapidly. FYI, Globalisation is a two way street. It doesn't quite work when one thinks one's language is more superior than the other.
I apologise for going off topic.
Back to topic -
One of the wonderful things about the yamibo forums which gives it an edge to the extent by which it even attracts sole english speakers here is the sterling community combined with it's spirit. What's unique is that it's members actually do care for the flow, function and heart of the forum. We have here people who volunter their time organising themselves into groups, running them efficiently and working really hard on scantalations and subs to brings us top-notch releases in furthermore a mostly timely manner. People who happily take the trouble to share/upload lots of good stuff (anime, manga, games, soundtracks, pvs, books etc..) that they put in effort to hunt and dig up without being asked to, with it's members never failing to appreciate what their fellow campanions did for them and are glad to be able to give in return.
You know, another part that's marvelous is the community's enthusiasm towards yuri. I absolutely love reading threads filled with people talking how much they enjoy the yuri in a particular episode or series, the vivid discussion that follows to the fangroups set up where people could join to celebrate their favourite yuri coupling where they could proudly wear beautifully done signatures representing the couple they support and the boundless creativity and energy the members display in creating pictures, scenarios and jokes. All that and so much more!
Just take a gander at the fanfic section, where it's members very actively support the authors, have loads of fun sharing their thoughts and anticipating the upcoming chapters thus motiving the authors in return to churn out more. I mean, the fanfic section is a really big deal, as big a deal as the discussion main itself, giving me a vicarious thrill everytime I look at it's vibrancy. Compared to english forums where it's mostly half dead with people prefering to post links to other fanfic communities and sites instead of trying to increase participation on the forum itself.
The paragraphs I wrote on the topic above are probably some of why made Yamibo as great as it is today. Another key point would be the members actually wanting to integrate with the community.
Now the english - speaking folks in general bear a directly opposite mentality. Especially the more "english-inclined" folks that some of you are seeking couldn't care less about assimilating or even bother with the forum from a community perspective at least a little. I personally came across quite a few voicing their preference to forum-hop - never stay at a forum for too long. But of course, they will first leech all the good stuff, then take off without bothering to even say thank you. And that's just the tip of the iceberg! Can you imagine that?
Another tricky point would be the reasoning behind coming to a forum in the first place. A lot, I suppose like the concept of forum as it's a place where one 'can' use as a soapbox to freely voice one's opinions under a measure of anonymity. But there are many ways in which one could bring things across. Casually, just a fancy passing? Cordially but firmly? Practically shoving it down another's throat? Problem is, the third being the current trend of the english crowd. Look, a healthy debate is a good thing but when it degenerates into rants and anger, it will just be nothing but one large flamewar. The point of conflict would be, the community in general seem to work well due to mutual compromising and knowing where the other stands. Prevention rather than cure. This will just upset that balance. Yes, a cure is possible but the damage would be already done. Firstly, I do reconigze it's anyone's perogative to do what they want as long as I guess they abide by the forum rules. That said, to sum up, by opening it up to one with a completely different mindset, beliefs, angle of perception, while might be worthwhile could also cause a lot of conflict especially if they can't be bothered with respect. Is it worth it?
Next up, someone mentioned bonding. A commendable investment. But, lets not forget a rather large issue here - Cultural difference. That 'might' be successfully surpassed but not without conflict. That, I have to ask. Is the conflict worth it? I'm going on the point here, that the kind of 'english crowd' that are being suggested to attract would be the non-asian chinese. For seriously, if it's just the billingual chinese you're talking about, this whole billingual interface thing is TOTALLY unnesessary as you can just stick with chinese.(An encouragement to brush up one's mandarin or perhaps get help from the other members) Not to mention, unfair to those members who can only speak mandarin. It's like why are the billingual members getting a whole langauge interface when /me am getting nothing?
The cultural difference - One lovely thing is that due this being a tight-knit community is that it has it's own forum culture. How would the mainstay take to the possibility of the forum culture erroding away? One other issue would be the way yuri is percived. Over here Yuri/GL has it's own meaning and it's a separate entity from Les and/or yuri hentai. In the english-speaking world, yuri is no different from Les. To them Yuri = Les. Ex. http://www.yuricon.org/ (good site) Thus, it's natural they will start topics in conjunction with Les issues. If I'm not mistaken, the people here don't really like the idea of Les discussion as it's looked upon as out of the scope of yuri? (Honestly, I never understood why either) Because, Let's say, if you use the 'west' as an example, a lot of women who watch yuri are lesbian, bisexual, bi-curios with a smaller portion being straight. For guys, about half are interested in actual yuri romance with the rest preferring just fanservice or hentai. Regardless, most will find it weird that yuri and Les are two different worlds. I mean they don't even know what's GL. Another would be cause for disagreement!
I guess it's about inviting in new blood at the risk of losing the loyal older ones.
The poster 忘川 brought up a good point. There are already quite a few english yuri sites floating around. From livejournals to blogger comunities, specialized forums, mainstream forums. Is there really a need for Yamibo to become another english forum? If so, how and even, would it actually benefit Yamibo itself overall?
The reason why I placed such emphasis on the coummunity word is because it's the heart of a forum. The type of community and the attitudes of it's members will affect the product and outflow of the forum itself. Which is an important point to think of in and out of itself. What sort of community do you wish Yamibo to be? A raging torrent where activity is at all time high but whose members spent more time arguing due to stark differences in opinion which neither will give rest to? A relatively quiet forum, peaceful where it's members just come for the images, doujins, anime and not much else? A balanced, active and vibrant community?
Though I'm opposed to Yamibo being an actual billingual forum, I see not too many problems in setting up an english sub-forum. A place where english speakers can congregate, perhaps learn a thing or two about oriental culture and others can go to casual learn more english.
On the same note, how about a chinese sub-forum instead? Where people who are poor in mandarin could go and improve on their mandarin with help from other members. Sounds like an idea.
Personally, for those who serious about improving one's standard of english, you simply have to go lurk at a forum where 90% of the speakers are very fluent in english. It's a little like myself. When I first came here, I had a bit of a headache navigating the forums as I couldn't even understand the description properly as my mandarin was so rusty. But this forced/motivated me to go brush up on my chinese and because most here are native mandarin speakers, my chinese actually improved after consistently reading the posts and adapting to the standard of mandarin even if it's by a small margin. Also, with the exception of this post, I make it a point to only write mandarin even on an occassion it took me a really long time to put out my thoughts in what I felt was resonably cohorent into words, to have it sort of end up with a poster or two mentioning they don't understand my chinese but still I'm glad I tried.
In english forums, seldom will you see a sub-section catering to other languages. Kinda unfair, isn't it? Though on an english forum if I were to come across a poster who is weak in english who wants help, I'll be happy to help as the poster put in the effort to try to communicate in english. So, perhaps one could try?
Should the admin decide to go for a billingual interface, I strongly urge you to put it to a vote at least. There are close to 37000 members in this forum. It's unfair to everybody to base your desicion on just 100 members and ignore the rest.
[ 本帖最后由 Katya12 于 2007-9-14 02:26 编辑 ] |
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